Welcome to your first review blog of the year.Basic rules:
1.) Keep your comments concise, and try to make them as complete as possible.
2.) Make sure that you have your notebook, review, or textbook handy, since we tend to move swiftly during our review.
3.) Comments should be specifically related to the content that we have covered in class or you have discovered in your text--there is little time for "shout outs" or sarcasm during the blog session.
Okay, first question--why was the political rivalry between the two men whose portraits appear above so important to shaping US government?
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For those who don't have a photographic memory (people like Carl), who is who in the portraits?
well the rivalry was so important cause al ham wanted a strong central gov't cause he was a federalist, while tom jeff wanted state gov't and a weak central gov't cause he wanted an agrarian republic and was a jeffersonian republican. both men had a strong influence in gov't esp since tom jeff was pres.
sorry mr davis i was having trouble with getting on the website so i called katie ziemba
can you explain the Quasi War more in depth?
Their rivalry shaped the first two political parties
Okay, Quasi-War. You should know that it was a situation that involved the United States and France, in which a formal declaration of war was never made. In the meantime, between 1798 and 1800, the French navy leveled numerous blows against the US merchant marine vessels.
The French were not happy with the US because the US had insisted on establishing better trade relations with Britain (France's traditional rival). As well, there was some confusion over whether the US would honor its obligation to pay France back for all that it had lent the America colonies during the revolution (the argument could be made that, because of the revolution in France, the debt no longer had to be repaid because the king no longer occupied the throne).
Add a dash of the XYZ affair, and you have yourself the Quasi War. Good question, Gab.
The portraits are Hamilton and Jefferson.
also, Hamilton supported a broader interpretation of the Constitution, so he felt that the federal government should have more power than specifically stated; Jefferson, though, advocated for a strict interpretation of the Constitution, so the government had no more power than the Constitution said.
This played a role in "loose constructionism" because the constitution didn't explicitly state that the president could purchase land (like the Louisiana Purchase). So at first, Jefferson was a strict constructionist because he didn't think the pres had the right to do that.
okay, so as we were studying today, we came up with a few questions:
1. was madison federal or democratic-republican? there was some confusion between review books. Can you elaborate somewhat on Madison's political views?
2. did thomas jefferson actually pay for the la purchase?
3. What specific battles for the war of 1812 do we have to know?
okay, so I have a question about the Panic of 1819...what exactly was it?
also, Madison supported Jefferson's ideas about the Constitution, right?
ya can you please elaborate on the political parties we should know about ?cause it seems like there always changing
I like those questions that Emily and friends came up with--I think folks should start building off of those!
As far as the war of 1812 goes, the only battle that we will be truly concerning ourselves with from this point forward is the Battle of New Orleans. It is rather crucial to establishing the next big shift in American politics.
And who ever "Jazzy" is better change their profile, because I will not permit posts from people with nicknames, tag names, call signs, or what have you.
sorry Mr. Davis, didn't know that was an issue.
Was the only importance of the Marbury vs. Madison case that the supreme court gained the right to decide whether an issue was constitutional or not?
Madison was a democratic Republican because it says in the text book he won the presidency over a Federalist (I think).
So madison, what were his specific views and how much should we go indepth with him?
Yea, I am pretty sure that Madison did support Jeffersons ideas about the Consititution
in the princeton review book it says that Madison was a democratic-republican
ok um could u do a quick recap on the new orleans war?
and do i have to change my name because i dont no how...
1. James Madison: Madison was not federalist, so he was democratic-republican. He was president(elected in 1808) during the war of 1812.
He supported a legislature that used representation based on proportional representation and he was a member of the virginia legislature.
He supported Jefferson's views on the strict interpretation of the constitution.
Is there anything else we need to know?
Marbury vs madison had to do with the fact that the supreme court could look onto the other branches of government
can we talk about what adams believed in and what jefferson believed in
and why no one really got along
but Madison wanted a strong central government with checks and balances
Jasmine- it also gave them the power to interpret the laws
I believe Jefferson did pay the 15 million for the La purchase (well the money came from the US treasury).
i believe he paid for the LA Purchase also, for all the land from napoleon in 1803
Jefferson himself didnt authorise the Louisiana purchase, two of his officials bought it with out first asking the president. This was due to the long travel time between the two continents (I believe it was 2 months or so). His officials saw the deal of the century and they bought it.
All that was from memory, so correct me if I am wrong..
mr. davis, is the format of the test going to be the same as last, mutltiple choice followed by an esay response?
ok i thought there was some sort of contraversy over the fact that jefferson didnt actually pay for the la purchase.
or
was it just that it basically was like nothing because it was so cheap for so much land???
jefferson and hamilton didnt get along because they had completely different polices
ex: central vs state gov, agrarian vs merchants, and interpreting the constitution
i thought madison co-authored the FEDERALIST papers making him a federalist, at least at that time
Quick way to remember what Hamilton and Jefferson were about:
Alexander Hamilton - think alexander the great who ruled over a large empire --> Strong Central Government
Jefferson - think of a farmer named Jeff --> Agrarian Society and weak central gov
Mr. Davis here again.
Leave the Panic of 1819 alone for now.
Concentrate on the philosophical difference b/w TJ and Hamilton. What was it that each of them envisioned for the country.
Also, think about the transition from Washington and Adams. How did Washington wish to leave the nation, and what did Adams do to carry on Washington's legacy, while also deal with British and French intimidation.
I did like those questions about Madison. Gordon Wood wrote a great essay that was recently republished arguing that we often times don't know how to handle Madison. We remember him as a framer of the constitution, as one of the authors of the Federalist, yet in the end sides with the real power from his home state of Virginia, TJ, and becomes a D-R President. I think that is a source of the confusion about Madison. Frankly, many folks forget that he was Pres during the War of 1812.
By the way, know the reasons for the War of 1812, don't worry yourself about the sequence of particular battles.
hints on the essay question ?
any ideas ?
so TJ wanted an agrarian republic, but what did hamilton envision exactly
about jefferson and adams:
-Jefferson: agricultural economy, free trade system to keep prices low, only allowing the government to do what the constitution said, he was called a republican (it was popular in the west and south)
-Adams: federalist, 1796-1800, his vp was jefferson, he made peace with france after the quasi war and he was involved in the xyz affair, he decreased freedoms through the alien and sedition acts.
do we need to know specifics between the relationships with the indians throughout the us's development ?
-dwight
Hamilton wanted a strong national economy based around a national bank. Jefferson wanted an agricultural based society, which seems to be more southern, like they wanted it to be a tightly-knit community instead of Hamilton's money-based economy based on commerce.
hamilton envisioned emphasis on the merchant class
ok davis when you talk about the continuation of the washington presidency by adams i think automaticly of the "isolationism" thin it seems that washington and adams both wanted to stay out of other peoples busness. am i on the mark here or way off?
NO ESSAY
The Wonder Twins, posting from the same computer--Nice!
Essay Hint: There is no essay. There, that should help.
Test format: 30 Multiple Choice questions, AP style (five possible answers following the question stem).
Multiple choice questions in a focus on identifying key texts from American history, and their historical significance. So, for example, if there is, say, a quote from John Adams complaining about the French bullying him, you know that he is probably referring to the XYZ Affair.
jefferson likes laissez faire policies where hamilton liked more gov involvement in developing trade and a manufacuring country.
do we need to go into alot of detail about the jeffersonian republican party and the feds ?
To answer your question Erika,
Hamilton believed that the key for the US to prosper was by becoming industrious (think the polar opposite of an agrarian society)
BTW, Dwight, we need to get into US-Native relations a bit more over the next week or two. That becomes easier when we use the personality of Andrew Jackson as a lens on such relations.
So, no, I did not include questions covering US-Native relations on the test.
so its just the 30 multiple choice and nothing else
so if the "wonder twins" get a name, smitty is here... what can we be called?
your right jelani. they knew it was a new country and we had just com eout of the war and were still building and we needed to stay u tof foreign affairs and keep strong to keep our country moving
"Also, think about the transition from Washington and Adams. How did Washington wish to leave the nation, and what did Adams do to carry on Washington's legacy, while also deal with British and French intimidation."
Well, washington wished for there to be no political parties (it would be the downfall of the nation), and he wanted the government to stay out of foreign conflicts. Adams focused on neutrality --> trade flourished. Furthermore, Adams did his best to keep america from all out war with the french.
how useful are the questions at the end of the chapters? because i've been doing them, and if they're not that helpful then i dont want to be doing them anymore
did th US ever get out of the terrible debt they were in?
-the were in debt from the 7 years war because Britain felt that the Americans owed them money
-they were in debt because of the American revolution
-then there was the trade embargo where they lost a lot of exporting/importing business/money
-finally there was the 15 milliion spent on the LP
so for the War of 1812, do we have to know about the impressment of American Sailors? can we reivew that
could you elaboate more on the major causes of the war of 1812
Mr. Davis here--
No new nicknames. Wonder Twins is an old one.
Sorry, Smitty.
Please see the earlier post--I can't recall any questions regarding US-Native relations at this point.
Sure, there are some review questions dealing with the revolutionary era, but that is not the balance of the test. I also exposed you all to the AP caliber Revolutionary Era questions in that review packet a couple weeks back. Remind me to get you credit for doing those questions.
code red. i threw out the questions by accident.
waht about hamilton and his bonds in banks and policies on debt?
that important?
twins would like to know
i keep forgetting what the XYZ affair was. Its not sticking in my mind, can someone explain it more clearly for me?
When the French would not recognize the US diplomats and were blackmailing adams so they would be recognized. adams would not pay them money and did not declare war on france. again he stayed out of foreign affairs for the good of the country.
remember how jefferson somehow converted the federalists to his cause.
to not cause conflict with the two parties.
is that important?
the XYZ affair was the French blackmailing the americans
the XYZ affair was an undeclared navel war between France and the US, it was a Quasi-war caused because france wouldnt recognize americas diplomats unless they got thier money, and adams prevented it from being a full war,
srry if someone already answered the question my posts seem to
take a really long time
what are some specific EVENTS that TJ and Ham had opposing views on?
reasons for the war of 1812:
-heightened sense of nationalism in 1811
-"war hawks" thought that it would finally get rid of britain's influence in n.america
-the battle of tippecanoe (i don't really know about this)
-british refused to lift trade restrictions
==>madison asked for a declaration of war.
Gab, according to wikipedia:
Three French agents, Jean Conrad Hottinguer, Pierre Bellamy, and Lucien Hauteval, demanded a large cash bribe for the delegation to speak to French foreign minister Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, a huge loan to help fund the French wars as a condition for continuing negotiations, and a formal apology for comments made by Adams.[2] The Americans broke off negotiations and went home. Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party, sensing that the American delegates were to blame for the failure, demanded to see the key documents. Adams released the delegation's report—with the names of the French agents changed to X,Y,Z, hence the popular name of both the affair and the correspondence—setting off a firestorm of anti-French sentiment as Americans blamed the French. France's refusal to receive the accredited U.S. representatives, let alone negotiate with them, without bribes for its leading members and a loan for its military incursions in Europe seemed an extreme insult to Americans. The public learned that the American delegates had rejected the demands. "The answer is no! No, not a sixpence!" was their response (translated by newspaper editors as "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!")
the XYZ affair:
the french had a grudge against the US because the US would not help them during the French revolution. therefore the french said that they would not negotiate with the US until we gave them a "bribe" or an incentive to negotiate with them. adams(and the delegates he sent over) refused to give in to the bribe. this caused ADAM's popularity to soar.
Hamilton wanted to establish a means to create public debt. This means that the public, the people, could borrow money, paying it back at a latter date (plus interest). He believed that a strong central bank, overseen by the government, would help the government become a player in the overall economy.
Hamilton more or less wanted the productive energies of the US to be unleashed on the world. To him, that meant the a true economic power had to have a fair and legitimate way to raise funds. So the government could involve itself with bankers, and participate in the overall economy.
Many successful Southern planters saw otherwise. Jefferson and others thought that New England was being overrun by crooked bankers. As we'll see, a whole tradition arises from this thinking, with many Americans, including notable leaders, arguing that the money lenders and merchants (those financial movers and shakers) were ruining the essence of America.
also, (along the lines of the XYZ affair) the US had to prepare for a french counter attack on the US. the US tripled the ize of the army and the navy that adams developed was put into full force. all that resulted was the quasi war which was already explained earlier
Mr. Davis here--
Okay, I think that was productive. Let me know what you think tomorrow in class.
Good night.
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